Shannon: Sure like the points and having that little center ridge towards the point like on the sonorra makes for a tough big game hunting point. I hope all the young guys on PA appreciate the sharing of knowledge that we have. In the old days (50's) every thing was a secret and there just were not many knappers to share the skills! Boy was I a slow learner as trying to discover how to make good points was trial and error with lots of red! Thanks for sharing! Joe