Thanks for all the feed back fellas. Jackcrafty; no I didn't plane the shoots , and yes I shoot with the heavy end forward. so far I've debarked , straightened , sanded , and cut self nocks, and burnished about half of them. I was also surprised at how well they flew ,I shot each shaft at least three times before I marked it good or bad . out of the 18 shafts I figured I'd be lucky to get 6 that flew well , but 14 of them passed the test. I only have turkey feathers for 11 though.thanks for the advice about heat treating I will omit that step.Now I have to decide what kind of points to put on them, probably half flu-flus and half broadheads.I would love to post pics of my bows and these shoots but I cant seem to find info on how to do it .