point types

[n2everythg]

Can anyone ID these point types for me? These were found in the South East in NC.

I believe that the big one is a gilferd. dont know if that is the correct spelling or not. Is the second smaller one a kirk serrated? it is not pateniaed at all though.

I need to get me some good ID books. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it. thnks.
N2

[Hillbilly]

Wade, the big one is likely a Guilford with a broken base. The small one looks like a Palmer or Kirk corner-notched.

[n2everythg]

thanks steve.

[Bone pile]

Go pick up a copy of "Overstreets price guide for arrowheads" I don't pay attention to the prices but it has lots of photos and discriptions.It's divided into regions of the country and gives dates + - I use it to look up styles and stone used on various point types.

Bone pile

[cowboy]

Their are other books out there but I've only owned and used the Overstreet one, like bonepile said it's great for looking up the types, region's, dates and materials used.

[xin]

What type of material on the Kirk?

[Timo]

Not sure about the big one but Hillbilly nailed that lil one I think. Nice piece.

[n2everythg]

thanks guys. I ordered the overstreet guide today.

the material on both is rhyolite.

little grainy on the kirk but pretty smooth textured on the guilferd from what I can tell
later
wade

[Hillbilly]

Wade, the whole sequence in your area is usually something like Clovis>Hardaway Blade>Hardaway Dalton>Hardaway side-notched>Palmer>Kirk Corner-notched>Kirk Stemmed>Kirk Serrated>Stanley>Morrow Mountain I and II>Guilford>Savannah River>Small Savannah River (Otarre, Iddins)>Badin triangular> Yadkin>Uwharrie>Pee Dee triangular/pentagonal>Caraway, with a few odds and ends like the occasional Halifax or Simpson and such thrown in here and there. We have a lot of the same sequence up here in the mountains, with a few more types like the Early Archaic bifurcated cluster and a few stemmed Early Woodland point types added to the mix. A lot of the points are the same thing from the same time period, but called different names in different areas.

[Hardawaypoints]

Dead on the money with the I.D. Steve. That Palmer is sweet.  They are usually very well made points too.  I found one about 20 years ago that is still sharp enough to hunt with.  I can't tell from the picture about the Guilford base.  I found a few that look pretty rough, but they are whole.  Here is a picture of some I found in Granville County, the bigger Palmer in the center is the sharp-well made one.



Jim